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From Ken Mandelberg Wed Sep 5 02:01:21 2001
From: Ken Mandelberg (Ken Mandelberg)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:01:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109050101.f8511Lp00520@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>
Our campus is changing commercial ISP's from UUnet to Internap.
We get our current tunnel from UUnet, but they won't continue it
after we switch. Internap doesn't offer the service.
On the other hand we are also on Internet II with bandwidth to spare.
Would any Internet II site be willing to give us a tunnel?
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
Emory University |
Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX (404) 727-5611
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Wed Sep 5 16:56:38 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID:
Ken,
We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
GigPOP.
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
> Our campus is changing commercial ISP's from UUnet to Internap.
> We get our current tunnel from UUnet, but they won't continue it
> after we switch. Internap doesn't offer the service.
>
> On the other hand we are also on Internet II with bandwidth to spare.
> Would any Internet II site be willing to give us a tunnel?
>
>
>
> Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
> Emory University |
> Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
> Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX (404) 727-5611
>
>
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
>
>
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
From Ken Mandelberg Wed Sep 5 17:12:00 2001
From: Ken Mandelberg (Ken Mandelberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109051612.f85GC0p06172@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>
>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Jules P. Aronson"
>To: Ken Mandelberg
>cc: mbone@isi.edu
>Subject: Re: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
>
>Ken,
> We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
>it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
>Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
>You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
>use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
>GigPOP.
>
Jules
Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
Emory University |
Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Wed Sep 5 16:56:38 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID:
Ken,
We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
GigPOP.
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
> Our campus is changing commercial ISP's from UUnet to Internap.
> We get our current tunnel from UUnet, but they won't continue it
> after we switch. Internap doesn't offer the service.
>
> On the other hand we are also on Internet II with bandwidth to spare.
> Would any Internet II site be willing to give us a tunnel?
>
>
>
> Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
> Emory University |
> Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
> Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX (404) 727-5611
>
>
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
>
>
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
From Ken Mandelberg Wed Sep 5 17:12:00 2001
From: Ken Mandelberg (Ken Mandelberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109051612.f85GC0p06172@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>
>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Jules P. Aronson"
>To: Ken Mandelberg
>cc: mbone@isi.edu
>Subject: Re: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
>
>Ken,
> We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
>it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
>Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
>You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
>use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
>GigPOP.
>
Jules
Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
Emory University |
Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Wed Sep 5 16:56:38 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID:
Ken,
We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
GigPOP.
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
> Our campus is changing commercial ISP's from UUnet to Internap.
> We get our current tunnel from UUnet, but they won't continue it
> after we switch. Internap doesn't offer the service.
>
> On the other hand we are also on Internet II with bandwidth to spare.
> Would any Internet II site be willing to give us a tunnel?
>
>
>
> Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
> Emory University |
> Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
> Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX (404) 727-5611
>
>
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
>
>
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
From Ken Mandelberg Wed Sep 5 17:12:00 2001
From: Ken Mandelberg (Ken Mandelberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109051612.f85GC0p06172@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>
>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Jules P. Aronson"
>To: Ken Mandelberg
>cc: mbone@isi.edu
>Subject: Re: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
>
>Ken,
> We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
>it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
>Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
>You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
>use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
>GigPOP.
>
Jules
Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
Emory University |
Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Wed Sep 5 16:56:38 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID:
Ken,
We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
GigPOP.
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
> Our campus is changing commercial ISP's from UUnet to Internap.
> We get our current tunnel from UUnet, but they won't continue it
> after we switch. Internap doesn't offer the service.
>
> On the other hand we are also on Internet II with bandwidth to spare.
> Would any Internet II site be willing to give us a tunnel?
>
>
>
> Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
> Emory University |
> Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
> Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX (404) 727-5611
>
>
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
>
>
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
From Ken Mandelberg Wed Sep 5 17:12:00 2001
From: Ken Mandelberg (Ken Mandelberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109051612.f85GC0p06172@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu>
>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Jules P. Aronson"
>To: Ken Mandelberg
>cc: mbone@isi.edu
>Subject: Re: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
>
>Ken,
> We get our Mbone sessions from the GigPop (MAX) which in turn gets
>it from Abeline. Previously, when we were connected to vBNS we got the
>Mbone sessions from vBNS. I assume that you are connected to some GigaPOP.
>You should easily arrange for an Mbone feed from them. You may have to
>use MGBG and MSDB rather than a DVMRP tunnel. In any case contact your
>GigPOP.
>
Jules
Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu
Emory University |
Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963
Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611
From rcnavas@telemovil.com Wed Sep 5 23:26:55 2001
From: rcnavas@telemovil.com (Roberto Carlos Navas)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:26:55 -0600
Subject: Hello??... does MBONE still exists?
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From almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu Fri Sep 7 12:49:35 2001
From: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
>>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
>>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
>>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
>>
>>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
>>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
>>
>>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
>>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
I2 campus.
As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
glory running. :-)
-Kevin
From almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu Fri Sep 7 12:49:35 2001
From: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
>>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
>>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
>>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
>>
>>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
>>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
>>
>>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
>>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
I2 campus.
As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
glory running. :-)
-Kevin
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From almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu Fri Sep 7 12:49:35 2001
From: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
>>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
>>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
>>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
>>
>>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
>>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
>>
>>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
>>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
I2 campus.
As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
glory running. :-)
-Kevin
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Fri Sep 7 14:59:16 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
In-Reply-To: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID:
I agree with Kevin. I would be happy to talk to your campus network
engineers about setting up multicast. It is very simple and does not
degrade the campus network. In fact, it adds to its value.
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote:
> >>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
> >>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
> >>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
> >>
> >>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
> >>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
> >>
> >>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
> >>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
>
> DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
> multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
> I2 campus.
>
> As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
>
> It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
> glory running. :-)
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
From almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu Fri Sep 7 12:49:35 2001
From: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
Message-ID: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
>>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
>>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
>>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
>>
>>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
>>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
>>
>>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
>>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
I2 campus.
As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
glory running. :-)
-Kevin
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Fri Sep 7 14:59:16 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
In-Reply-To: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID:
I agree with Kevin. I would be happy to talk to your campus network
engineers about setting up multicast. It is very simple and does not
degrade the campus network. In fact, it adds to its value.
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote:
> >>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
> >>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
> >>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
> >>
> >>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
> >>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
> >>
> >>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
> >>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
>
> DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
> multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
> I2 campus.
>
> As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
>
> It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
> glory running. :-)
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
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From: MattM@natr.com (Matt Mower)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:30:25 -0600
Subject: remove
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From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Fri Sep 7 14:59:16 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
In-Reply-To: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID:
I agree with Kevin. I would be happy to talk to your campus network
engineers about setting up multicast. It is very simple and does not
degrade the campus network. In fact, it adds to its value.
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote:
> >>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
> >>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
> >>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
> >>
> >>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
> >>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
> >>
> >>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
> >>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
>
> DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
> multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
> I2 campus.
>
> As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
>
> It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
> glory running. :-)
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
From aronson@nlm.nih.gov Fri Sep 7 14:59:16 2001
From: aronson@nlm.nih.gov (Jules P. Aronson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mbone Tunnel from Internet II site?
In-Reply-To: <200109071149.f87BnZU13207@jackson.cs.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID:
I agree with Kevin. I would be happy to talk to your campus network
engineers about setting up multicast. It is very simple and does not
degrade the campus network. In fact, it adds to its value.
Jules P. Aronson Phone 301-435-3192
National Library of Medicine FAX: 301-496-0673
8600 Rockville Pike Email: aronson@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, Maryland 20894
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Kevin C. Almeroth wrote:
> >>Thanks for the response. I did know about this, and it certainly is
> >>the correct way to go. The problem is that our campus networking
> >>people are shy about doing any multicast on the campus backbone.
> >>
> >>They tolerated a DVMRP tunnel onto our department subnets, but won't
> >>allow it on the backbone. I know it doesn't make much sense.
> >>
> >>So, I'm still hoping some internet II site might feel sorry for us
> >>and be willing to send us a tunnel :)
>
> DVMRP is the worst... it is time the campus folks learn a bit about
> multicast. It is essentially a requirement for calling yourself an
> I2 campus.
>
> As for tunnels, by policy, Internet2 does not allow multicast tunnels.
>
> It really shouldn't be that hard to get multicast in all of its
> glory running. :-)
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
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From webmaster4582@yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 23:05:57 2001
From: webmaster4582@yahoo.com (webmaster4582@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:05:57
Subject: ADV: I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. Time:10:05:57 PM
Message-ID: <200109240212.f8O2CMv05931@tnt.isi.edu>
I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do.
>From the customers I received last month I made $1560 income.
I also profited on these people $1000 up front.
And you know the funniest part?
I didn't even design their sites!
They did it for themselves!
I bet your sales pitch doesn't come anywhere near mine.
My sales pitch looks like this:
Free Website!
Free .com, .net, or .org name!
Free First Month!
Free Shopping Cart for E-commerce!
Free Secure Credit Card Transaction Server Access!
Free Website Editor! (Allows you to control your entire site from anywhere in the world
with nothing more than your Internet browser!)
Free Website Statistics Analysis!
Unlimited everything!
Unlimited Email Addresses!
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Unlimited Pages!
Unlimited Capacity of items in the Shopping Cart!
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Website Promotion Options...
There is nothing left to add to this service!
If you can use a word processor,
You can manage your own website!
Only $35/month after your first FREE month!
Everything you need to be doing business online NOW is here for only $25! (Limited time offer)
I have been advertising this pitch on the front of my website for my design business 1 month, I have received over 40 signups.
People SIGNUP EVERY SINGLE DAY. Almost, they bunch up on the weekends often.
1 month= $1560 income that comes in every month with no work!
I will beat that number this month easily, but assuming I just keep up the same pace, next month will net $3,120 PROFIT.
FOR A FACT I will be netting at least $10,720 a month by the end of the year. I got that number after subtracting $8000 to account for cancellations down the line.
That is a ton of money! I can not even think of a way to not hit that number unless I completely stopped doing everything.
My service is also better.
You can't give anyone the as much value as I can.
You can't give them the power to control their site as I can.
You can't give them the prices that I can.
You can't get them online as fast as I can.
And even if somehow you found a way to do all that, you won't able to keep your customers as long as I do.
Wow. Don't believe me?
The interface I give my customers is easier to use than any other I have seen.
It is by far the best web based interface you will ever see. A monkey would have a hard
time making a site look bad with the software I include for my Customers.
I charge them $35 a month and I only pay $10! I know I could charge a lot more for the service, but I am more interested in getting as many customers as possible now, than I am on making more on them.
If you did the numbers to make sure I wasn't making them up, you'll see $560 missing this month. Where did it come from? There is an optional search engine submission program, that 70 percent of the people that signup opt for, I charge them $30/month. I pay $10.
If they do decide they would like custom work done, no problem. I do it for them, and they don't try to bother me to change little things all the time on their site, because I give them the power to do it themselves, which they prefer. I like it to, keeps my time free for things I enjoy.
In addition to being able to get at customers you can't, and being able to upsell them to all the custom design work I like, when ever I like,
I bet I have a whole bunch of other things you DO NOT HAVE.
Private Labeled to me Website Builder/Store Builder (Best Anywhere)
Private Labeled to me Shopping Cart
Private Labeled to me WebMail and Pop3 Service
Private Labeled to me Secure Server Hosting
Private Labeled to me Domain Name Registration
Private Labeled to me Search Engine Submission
Private Labeled to me Control Panel for FTP, email, user access...
I can make as many new templates as I like to start them out from too.
I also never have to pay for custom CGI work to provide E-Commerce solutions anymore.
It is all done for me already, even the payment gateway integration.
I use the same service my end-users use to do design work and It has cut my design time in more than half.
I can make a complete E-Commerce enabled site in 15-30 minutes, email, shopping cart, ftp, running on the net!
Can you do that??
Long story short. Unless you have some plans I don't know about, My business will be beating yours for sure in about 12 months.
Can you compete?
Are you getting customers as fast as I am?
Are you making as much on them as I am?
Is that money you are making staying with you every month?
Is there a way for you to provide my customers something I don't?
Can you say the same for yourself?
I am going to let you in on SECRET now.
Even though I know that my business will most likely be making a lot more than yours in 12 months, I am not greedy.
I know that BIG money is not in being greedy.
I know that No matter how much money my design company makes next year, If I combined 4-5 heavy hitters in the industry they would best me.
How can I beat that?
Easy. Use my connection with the company that made me what I am, and enabled me to do things that no other design companies could do.
I am best friends with the president of the company that designed all the amazing server side software I use to power my business, and I know that if he wanted to, he could start turning on every webdesign company in the world as a dealer if they saw what I was making.
So, instead of trying to convince him to not show anyone else the software I use to make so much money (impossible.) I figured out that the best thing for me to team up with him, show other people how I was making all the money that I was, and get cut in on the deal.
Long story short. I am making a ton of money retailing my E-Commerce Solution, and I love it. Now that I have tasted that success, I have decided to take it to the next level, and give others the same ability to make that same money I do. I can get you in with the company that I deal with
that provided me with all of those amazing things that make my service so awesome.
My reward: If I introduce even a few people to my supplier so to speak. And those people become even half as successful with it as I have, I can have my buy rate reduced even further below $10 a month (which is already insanely cheap if you haven't noticed)
Your reward: If you will probably be making even more money retailing it than I am.
All I am doing is driving traffic to my website, people signup. You probably already have a customer base underneath you that would love the product, and are more likely to offer the custom design work than I. I don't do flash, and I don't even advertise on my site that I do custom design
work at all.
You know, I'll tell you the truth, this interface is so easy that anyone could do it.
HTML knowledge or not, really anyone can be a full Design/Hosting/E-Commerce solution provider with this. They even will bill your customers for free for you. Saved me the trouble of getting another merchant account to accept credit cards for this. I paid over $2000 for the privledge of
being able to do what I do. I am extremely happy about that because I know people who have paid over $7,000 to do the same. The ball game has changed though. They want to bring on successful dealers like me NOW. And to make this easier, they have dropped the pricing to $99, $299, or $999
depending on how good you want your buy rates. At $999 they are even eating the setup fees ($10 gets your customer a free domain name, and first month). Since I know how powerful a sales tool my website is, and I want everyone I bring on to be as successful as possible, I will even give you
a copy of my website (customized to look like you invented it though) hosted for free to sell from. I know it works because I get signups every day. Then you are almost guaranteed to make a ton of money with it, as long as you get traffic to it.
If you want to see some of the sites built by my solution, the site I have great success selling from, or how I make all the money I do with it, and how you can to, or to show awesome the software is to use, call me or email me.
1-888-549-0766 or 1-954-585-6460 This week only. Monday-Saturday 11-7 EST.
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From sb154917@wolmail.nl Mon Sep 24 18:53:16 2001
From: sb154917@wolmail.nl (LTR Consultancy)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:53:16 +0200
Subject: Path 1 Network technologies in the Press / live MPEG over IP
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short update last month, Path 1 Network Technologies (PNWK-OTCBB) is =
quickly gaining recognition among the major players of the telecom- and =
broadcasting industry, which is best expressed in the following article. =
Please inform us if you would like to receive a hardcopy of the article.
=20
Best regards
=20
Pieter van Meel
LTR Consultancy
Email: ltr@bart.nl=20
=20
From: TV Technology Magazine September, 2001
TV Technology is published by IMAS Publishing Inc., Falls Church, =
Virginia, 22041, USA and its publications reach professionals in eight =
languages and over 100 countries worldwide=20
=20
Live MPEG Over IP: Path 1 Steps Out Of The Lab
=20
Path 1 is taking its product out of the lab to demonstrate in real-world =
settings that it is a bona fide networking problem solver in the =
broadcast space.
=20
By: Peter J. Brown
=20
Although TV networks and production houses have been moving MPEG video =
over fiber for years , the ability to transfer real-time 4:2:2 MPEG-2 =
video over IP - doing live MPEG-2 video over IP in particular - has =
remained an elusive objective.
However, San Diego based Path 1 Network Technology, Inc is =
positioning itself to break through this barrier, and it is doing so in =
live, real-world scenarios.
"MPEG over IP is the future," said Tony Seaton, vice =
president of Corporate Technology and Standards at Turner Broadcasting =
Systems, Inc., who has been evaluating several MPEG over IP products =
from different vendors. "In terms of MPEG over IP in general, we are =
very close to seeing it, in the next 12 months, as a marketable solution =
from the carriers, and hardware companies."=20
The "best effort" character of an IP network imposes a =
series of obstacles whenever any video stream travels over it - in the =
form of unpredictability, instability and unwanted latency-among other =
things. Add the MPEG-2 encoding process, and the degree of end-to-end =
variability becomes even more problematic.
"In MPEG-2 compression and transport, there are particular =
nuances in how MPEG-2 streams are created," explained Dr. Ron Fellman, =
Path 1 co-founder and CTO. "When it comes to such things as the spacing =
of data elements, the arrival of timing data, and even the operating =
frequencies, there is considerable variability between encoders from =
different vendors. In the face of this variability, it is crucial that =
we are frame accurate."
Path 1 is also "extremely sensitive to the desire of =
different broadcasters who have strong likes and dislikes when it comes =
to the different brands of encoders," Fellman added.
=20
AN OPEN FIELD
But Path 1 is by no means the only company out there. =
Harmonic, Tandberg with its new 6000 series, Lucent, Minerva, Artel =
Video, Amnis Systems (formerly Optivision), Optibase, and even =
Scientific-Atlanta were all mentioned as competing on some level in this =
space. Some, such as Lucent and Tandberg, are more prepared than others =
to address the specific needs of broadcasters in this regard.
However, Path 1 is taking its product out of the lab to =
demonstrate in real-world settings that it is a bona fide networking =
problem solver in the broadcast space. It has this underway just as TV =
broadcasters are wrestling with their own set of priorities as far as =
centralized broadcasting options, a greater emphasis on video server =
driven operations, and new automation schemes are concerned.
Last year, Leitch Technology Corp. purchased more than a 30. =
percent stake in Path 1, while at the same time obtaining exclusive =
rights to use Path 1's patented TrueCircuit technology.
"The broadcast industry is focused on getting away from =
satellite distribution for the cost savings," said Boston-based Yankee =
Group analyst Ryan Jones. "ATM over wireline is OK for now, but it is =
not that desirable going forward for overhead reasons. Doing live video =
over IP with all the advantages in terms of reduced costs, =
interoperability, and guaranteed Quality of Service (QoS), that is the =
goldmine."=20
"In order to do multipoint distribution, and to access a =
terrestrial footprint as large as any satellite footprint, bridging the =
ATM to IP gap is also essential. IP will not reach everywhere," Jones =
added.
=20
DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS
Broadcast TV comes with its own set of standards and =
expectations when it comes to video quality. And so, while there has =
been considerable progress both in terms of streaming media, and HDTV =
transmitted over Internet2 grid, the TV engineering community does not =
attach much weight to these developments. Path 1, however is a different =
story altogether, with its focus on eliminating packet delays and =
continuity errors as well as keeping jitter down to less than 0,5 =
microseconds. This is seen as a must do by TV network executives from =
the standpoint of synchronizing feeds outbound from single video =
distribution point or hub. The higher bandwidth, and high motion =
dimension of live sports is a key concern, too.
Andy Cornell, a systems engineer at Washington, D.C-based BT =
North America, has been evaluating Path 1's performance in a trial which =
started in late April on the BT fiber link between London and Washington =
D.C. Encapsulated feeds from the Wimbledon tennis matches, and the G-8 =
Summit in Italy were both part of this ongoing trial. Cornell has also =
looked at equipment from Tandberg and Minerva.
"Path 1 is the best solution I have seen thus far," Cornell =
said. "It not only provides a good ASI output stream, but it is the only =
unit I have seen to date that you can plug in back to back, and get a =
perfect transport stream. However, packet loss is still an unresolved =
issue for Path 1" Cornell added, due to its reliance on 100 per cent =
overhead. This situation will be addressed in a product update scheduled =
for release in mid-September, according to a Path 1 spokesman.
"The biggest problem now occurs when packet loss locks up =
decoders which requires a manual reset," Seaton explained.
=20
MIXED REVIEWS
Advances in MPEG over IP are drawing mixed reviews as not =
every TV network is itching to jump on the MPEG over IP bandwagon.
"MPEG transport over IP or ATM is simply not the ideal =
outcome," said Andy Setos, executive vice president of the News =
Technology Group at Fox Television. They are not suited to this =
application. This is why we are so excited about DTM - Dynamic =
Synchronous Transfer Mode - which is designed for this sort of =
high-value simplex, synchronous traffic."
=20
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