From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Jan 22 15:08:02 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0MN82D27211 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0MN81H18471 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0MN81C7038216 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0MN81BS038215 for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:01 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <20030122230800.GV33196@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yPlaimQd/TpiYx8R" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] test message Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --yPlaimQd/TpiYx8R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This is a test message. --yPlaimQd/TpiYx8R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+LyRQaUz3f+Zf+XsRAn00AKCiYZqtqCfEgig7+njzF0aSACo2AwCePZS+ Ll5LxecNp0fSLB27qruvr9w= =jOH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yPlaimQd/TpiYx8R-- From faber@ISI.EDU Fri Jan 24 17:09:09 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0P199D03345 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0P198H00369 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0P198C7061104 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0P198Ga061103 for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:09:08 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <20030125010908.GG51406@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PyMzGVE0NRonI6bs" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] HW 1 up on the web page Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --PyMzGVE0NRonI6bs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Homework number one, due Friday (31 Jan) is up on the web page. http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/ -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc --PyMzGVE0NRonI6bs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+MeO0aUz3f+Zf+XsRAvf2AKCNWKo8bKkrZsYa5LUos2Vasu3cigCg6dwK egqkPtceq4HxQUtMPTj8Vxw= =j9Tq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PyMzGVE0NRonI6bs-- From bindlish@usc.edu Sat Jan 25 18:19:16 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0Q2JGD11103 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9A00039UG41P@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.126.17.247] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0800 From: aarti bindlish To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <1312f8133276.1332761312f8@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] wanna make a study group!!! Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hello, I need a discussion partner to discuss the research papers and other stuff in course. Anyone who has read the papers and is willing to discuss, please mail me. Thanks Aarti Bindlish From sanjayga@usc.edu Sun Jan 26 18:05:16 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0R25FD03043 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0R25Fb15476 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9C008Q3OGRYZ@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.228.124] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:05:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:05:15 -0800 From: sanjay garg To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <1e44520402.204021e445@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] discussion group Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hi, even i m looking for a discussion group.doubts & papers r piling up so lets make it fast. sanjay From njayaram@usc.edu Sun Jan 26 18:37:49 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0R2bmD08588 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0R2bmb21408 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9C008R4PZ0YZ@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.81.182.95] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:37:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:37:48 -0800 From: narayana jayaram Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] discussion group To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <2f73a2eaf4.2eaf42f73a@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hi sanjay count me in. can u come a bit early on tuesday.. cuz i have a class after OS555 and cant meet u after that. btw, does anyone have a sample midterm paper.. just wanto know what kind of ques we can expect on teh exam. Murthy ----- Original Message ----- From: sanjay garg Date: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:05 pm Subject: [Csci555-chat] discussion group > hi, > even i m looking for a discussion group.doubts & papers r piling > up so lets make it fast. > sanjay > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > From sutharat@usc.edu Mon Jan 27 02:11:44 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0RABiD07754 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9D008JMAZKYX@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.126.88.47] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:44 -0800 From: yossapon sutharattana To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <1323c3131c45.131c451323c3@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] Read "duality" paper before "Mesa" papers Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: It quite worked for me. "Mesa" paper refer to the "Duality" paper. From tokuz@usc.edu Mon Jan 27 22:47:29 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0S6lTD12213 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9E00LB0W5TCH@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.166.98.50] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:46:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:46:41 -0800 From: akif tokuz To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <57651c577e86.577e8657651c@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] message/procedural - microkernel/monolithic ?? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: While I was digging the net I got an intuition that we can extend the message-passing and shared memory comparison to monolithic vs. microkernel systems. What do you think? Can this be or am I totaly lost on a wrong track? If we can,here comes the one of the main source of my confusions. In one of Stanford's doc[1] I found; OpenBSD, Linux, original Unix referred as monolithic systems and Mach, QNX, Chorus, L4 referred as microkernel systems(which I have no idea about except QNX-once I had tried their 1 floppy OS and that doesn't bring up much to me). So can we say that monolithic systems use shared memory, and microkernel systems(MPPs)use message passing? Can we make this generalization?? If we can here comes the confusion(at least for me:) In one of the UCSD's doc[2] it says:Unix is a message-based system where there is usually no memory sharing and processes communicate by using pipes. ??So who is wrong? or am I missing some point? And in which category is UNIX in? none? both? Thanks. Akif, [1] http://www.stanford.edu/~aburn/stuff/temp/quiz2_notes.txt [2] http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/classes/sp00/cse221/evals/duality-upcalls/0019.html {this link probably will not work directly. You will get a 403 Forbidden message.Try writing it into google and click on view as html! Caching always works;) } From tokuz@usc.edu Tue Jan 28 09:18:13 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SHIDD20895 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9F00LJHPECBL@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.166.98.50] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:18:12 -0800 From: akif tokuz Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] message/procedural - microkernel/monolithic ?? To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <66731e66919e.66919e66731e@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Sorry I realized that I gave the 2nd link wrong. This is the correct one. Don't forget to use google trick. www.cs.ucsd.edu/classes/fa02/cse221/ notes/duality-class.doc Akif, ----- Original Message ----- From: akif tokuz Date: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:46 pm Subject: [Csci555-chat] message/procedural - microkernel/monolithic ?? > While I was digging the net I got an intuition that we can extend > the message-passing and shared memory comparison to monolithic vs. > microkernel systems. What do you think? Can this be or am I totaly > lost on a wrong track? > > If we can,here comes the one of the main source of my confusions. > > In one of Stanford's doc[1] I found; OpenBSD, Linux, original Unix > referred as monolithic systems and Mach, QNX, Chorus, L4 referred > as microkernel systems(which I have no idea about except QNX-once > I had tried their 1 floppy OS and that doesn't bring up much to me). > > So can we say that monolithic systems use shared memory, and > microkernel systems(MPPs)use message passing? Can we make this > generalization?? > If we can here comes the confusion(at least for me:) > In one of the UCSD's doc[2] it says:Unix is a message-based system > where there is usually no memory sharing and processes communicate > by using pipes. > > ??So who is wrong? or am I missing some point? And in which > category is UNIX in? none? both? > > Thanks. > > Akif, > > > [1] http://www.stanford.edu/~aburn/stuff/temp/quiz2_notes.txt > [2] http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/classes/sp00/cse221/evals/duality- > upcalls/0019.html{this link probably will not work directly. You > will get a 403 Forbidden message.Try writing it into google and > click on view as html! Caching always works;) } > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Jan 28 13:37:29 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SLbTD22749 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SLbQH24860; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SLbQUZ014558; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SLbQj4014557; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:37:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:37:26 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: akif tokuz Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] message/procedural - microkernel/monolithic ?? Message-ID: <20030128213726.GC14301@pun.isi.edu> References: <57651c577e86.577e8657651c@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NU0Ex4SbNnrxsi6C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57651c577e86.577e8657651c@usc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --NU0Ex4SbNnrxsi6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:46:41PM -0800, akif tokuz wrote: > So can we say that monolithic systems use shared memory, and > microkernel systems(MPPs)use message passing? Can we make this > generalization?? I'm not going to jump directly into this, because I'm interested to see the discussion, but I suggest that you take a quick look at the Amoeba paper from the reading list ( http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/papers/Tanenbaum90.pdf ). --NU0Ex4SbNnrxsi6C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NvgWaUz3f+Zf+XsRAjIwAKDWZWLPmEX/CSnYU/KWMN79OwvLAACfRyM9 k6xXINPLcTb9vcnQS/E6ziw= =uSt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NU0Ex4SbNnrxsi6C-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Jan 28 15:30:21 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNULD13797 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNULH19383 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SNULUZ016361 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SNULiQ016360 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030128233020.GO14301@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qd/SZIFVu+MYwfCR" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Mars rover links on the web page Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --qd/SZIFVu+MYwfCR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Links to the discussion of the priority inversion on the Mars Pathfinder mission have been added to http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555 . Make sure you reload the page if you've cached it. The discussion is reprinted from COMP.RISKS, and pointers to that forum are included. --qd/SZIFVu+MYwfCR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NxKMaUz3f+Zf+XsRAmTtAKDYtF4QPYPM0kJcB+q4ntgcQHk6rgCg0xAu zKKO9hyKeWL0/vPlOIXplG8= =0CoZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qd/SZIFVu+MYwfCR-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Jan 28 15:41:08 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNf8D19787 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNf7H26271 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SNf7UZ016390 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SNf7SK016389 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:07 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030128234107.GP14301@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JKGvNdIvrY8Ovf7Z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] requests on e-mail questions. Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --JKGvNdIvrY8Ovf7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've been getting some questions in e-mail, which I'm very happy to see. I'm delighted when students are interested enough to want to know more. Please keep them coming. I'm also happy to see some discussions starting up on this list, which I'm also delighted about. I've tried not jumped into those discussions because I don't want to disturb the flow of those discussions or stifle ideas being bounced around. Some of the questions I've gotten in private e-mail may have been of general interest to the class in general (or at least to readers of this list), but I didn't feel right about sending the answer to this list without permission. After all, part of the reason I got the question in e-mail may have been the inquirer's desire to ask privately. Still, I'd like to see both questions of broad interest and student discussions happen on this list. Here's what I suggest: If you'd like to ask a question for me to answer, and don't mind doing it publically, please ask it on the list so that I know that I can respond on the list. Include some unambiguous phrase in the subject line or message body that indicates that you want my answer (FOR FABER: or something like it). I'll continue trying to stay out of any discussions not so labelled. Of course, if you'd prefer to ask a question in private e-mail, that's still fine. Even on private questions, consider mailing them to csci555@usc.edu, which goes to both me and Ho Chung. You're likely to get a quicker answer that way. Thanks! --JKGvNdIvrY8Ovf7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NxUTaUz3f+Zf+XsRAkedAKD7mKh1EW//e1sn7sa29eK958aWFgCdGWk1 HmJ3ckNP68Tws5/l8Za4x2E= =w0E3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JKGvNdIvrY8Ovf7Z-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Jan 28 15:43:27 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNhRD20872 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0SNhQH28415 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SNhQUZ016414 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SNhQ61016413 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:43:26 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030128234326.GQ14301@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xe2geHXJg22At20M" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] More web page changes Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --xe2geHXJg22At20M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The room numbers for office hours for both me and Ho Chung are now correct on the web page and the syllablus, a link has been added to Ho Chung's csci555 page, and the first question of HW 1 has been modified to make it a little clearer. The substance of the homework is unchanged. Consider checking all those out. --xe2geHXJg22At20M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NxWeaUz3f+Zf+XsRAvHjAJ9XgAbWXmrPv77ifImdabQXHodcCwCeKQzW g7Co6AJ4jjWajpO3cEvT22E= =IMQs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xe2geHXJg22At20M-- From akulkarn@usc.edu Tue Jan 28 21:18:39 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0T5IdD17579 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9G007BLMNUTX@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.19.45] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:16:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:16:42 -0800 From: anupam kulkarni To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <308d5343cf.343cf308d5@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] hw discussion Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hi i'd like to discuss the HW solutions. intereseted people pz let me know . Anupam From akulkarn@usc.edu Wed Jan 29 14:44:54 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0TMisD26631 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9H00DO9Z5Z37@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.117.219.129] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:23 -0800 From: anupam kulkarni To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <2f74082f5f22.2f5f222f7408@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] discussion Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hey guy mark and i are going to meet infront of Leavey at 6:00 today evening to discuss the HW is anyone else interested? Anupam From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Jan 30 18:49:20 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V2nKD09378 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V2nJH12581 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V2nJUZ000384 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V2nJrD000383 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:49:19 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030131024919.GL95851@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iK/wEI4vkfDmI6Zw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] HW 2 posted Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --iK/wEI4vkfDmI6Zw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Homework 2 is posted. It's only 3 questions, and should probably go a little faster than the first one. You may want to look at the postscript or PDF versions if you have any trouble reading the code. Comments welcome. --iK/wEI4vkfDmI6Zw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OeQvaUz3f+Zf+XsRArCdAJ9BdqDPtuNcI50TOgB2huNeJITuzQCeOwn4 nzvx6rFPPLY84rz+vb4JRDo= =1plE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iK/wEI4vkfDmI6Zw-- From njayaram@usc.edu Thu Jan 30 21:49:28 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V5nRD24809 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V5nRb25864 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9K009DQDIFG4@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.81.193.62] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:49:27 -0800 From: narayana jayaram To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <4e0bcc4e08c4.4e08c44e0bcc@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] HW 1 submission method Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hi all, I copy pasted the hw from a notepad onto the USC email and sent it as "text" as opposed to the HTML option. is this enough? or was there something else i had to check?( unmarkedup ascii etc). im asking cuz the list of dont's is intimidating. thanks Murthy From tokuz@usc.edu Fri Jan 31 00:28:31 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V8SUD00240 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V8SUb12004 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9K008QKKVIZ8@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.166.98.50] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:30 -0800 From: akif tokuz To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <53ef0554050a.54050a53ef05@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] microkernel vs. monolithic debate Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I think i am totaly confused while I am trying to map procedural/message-passing approaches with microkernel/monolithic. Actually I dont have any background info about this subject, and here is what I got after jumping from site to site and paper to paper in this week. *First of all this is a very very old war. Probably beginned with the famaous Linus Torvalds and Andrew Tanenbaum newsgroup debate which begins with Tanenbaum's "Linux is obsolete" message. If you haven't read this yet just check it out from: http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html It is quite fun ;) *Linux is a monolithic OS. It means everything goes into one big kernel. But it gives better performance than microkernels because microkernels have the disadvantage of message-passing overhead. So far so good. But when will Linux kernel stop growing. The first offical release of Linux (version 1.0 March 1994) has only 165.000 lines of code, at January 2000 it was over 2 million! Just check out this paper http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/papers/icsm00.pdf They have nice graphs showing Linux's "super-linear" growth. There is a solution out there for this which is used right now:Modules! You can load and unload a device driver even without restarting(remember windows;) the system. For example in my computer i need to load my ethernet card driver module with insmod to connect to internet and loading and unloading a module is so easy. *For the other side. I really don't know anything about those microkernels. I have used all kinds of Windows(3.1,95/98,ME,XP,NT,2000) and I really don't know what are they or which category are they in. But while I was digging the web I always ran into the Mach as an example of real microkernel OS. It is told that it was a good effort but this doesn't save Mach being a failure. So what is a microkernel OS? ( As what I understood) You throw out everything unnecessary from the kernel and you try to minimize the kernel as small as possible.[there is an another system called as Exokernel which tries the make even smaller kernels than micro.] so all of the services run as user programs and communicate with messages thorough the kernel. As far as what I understood one of their disadvantages comes from here because context switching from user-mode to kernel-mode is expensive. Microkernel is the new trend(as Tanenbaum said:) and it is still growing. Some people think that microkernels did not give good performance till now because of bad designs. Who knows? There are(what I know) Mac OS X, L4 and MkLinux right now as the brand new microkernel OSes. I really don't know what is NT or Win2000. What I got, debates will always go on on the academic side but general acceptance of use will determine the winner. For now, my bet goes to Linux. ...and for the procedural/message-passing mapping. I decided to not try to do anything like that because I got confused more. Perhaps there is no relation like that. And also it is very hard to put UNIX under one category. And which UNIX? There are big differences betweeen UNIXs and Linux. I hope professor gives his opinion about this. Thanx for listening:) Akif, From srikanth.nangunoori@intel.com Fri Jan 31 09:17:46 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0VHHjD29858 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.hd.intel.com (fmr09.intel.com [192.52.57.35]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0VHHib01775 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from petasus.hd.intel.com (petasus.hd.intel.com [10.127.45.3]) by hermes.hd.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.51 2002/09/23 20:43:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id h0VHFmc02535 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:15:48 GMT Received: from fmsmsxv040-1.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxvs040.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.124]) by petasus.hd.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.28 2003/01/13 19:44:39 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id h0VHEOJ00735 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:14:24 GMT Received: from fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com ([132.233.42.156]) by fmsmsxv040-1.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003013109175721560 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:17:57 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([132.233.42.219]) by fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:17:38 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [Csci555-chat] microkernel vs. monolithic debate Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:17:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6334.0 Thread-Topic: [Csci555-chat] microkernel vs. monolithic debate Thread-Index: AcLJKz9qHg4kXTUcEdembgACpYtLYQAIS/fQ From: "Nangunoori, Srikanth" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2003 17:17:38.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[A73DAE10:01C2C94C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gamma.isi.edu id h0VHHjD29858 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: From my experience with Win2K, I think it is also an monolithic with the support of loading/unloading modules similiar to that of Linux. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Srikanth -----Original Message----- From: akif tokuz [mailto:tokuz@usc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:29 AM To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: [Csci555-chat] microkernel vs. monolithic debate I think i am totaly confused while I am trying to map procedural/message-passing approaches with microkernel/monolithic. Actually I dont have any background info about this subject, and here is what I got after jumping from site to site and paper to paper in this week. *First of all this is a very very old war. Probably beginned with the famaous Linus Torvalds and Andrew Tanenbaum newsgroup debate which begins with Tanenbaum's "Linux is obsolete" message. If you haven't read this yet just check it out from: http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html It is quite fun ;) *Linux is a monolithic OS. It means everything goes into one big kernel. But it gives better performance than microkernels because microkernels have the disadvantage of message-passing overhead. So far so good. But when will Linux kernel stop growing. The first offical release of Linux (version 1.0 March 1994) has only 165.000 lines of code, at January 2000 it was over 2 million! Just check out this paper http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/papers/icsm00.pdf They have nice graphs showing Linux's "super-linear" growth. There is a solution out there for this which is used right now:Modules! You can load and unload a device driver even without restarting(remember windows;) the system. For example in my computer i need to load my ethernet card driver module with insmod to connect to internet and loading and unloading a module is so easy. *For the other side. I really don't know anything about those microkernels. I have used all kinds of Windows(3.1,95/98,ME,XP,NT,2000) and I really don't know what are they or which category are they in. But while I was digging the web I always ran into the Mach as an example of real microkernel OS. It is told that it was a good effort but this doesn't save Mach being a failure. So what is a microkernel OS? ( As what I understood) You throw out everything unnecessary from the kernel and you try to minimize the kernel as small as possible.[there is an another system called as Exokernel which tries the make even smaller kernels than micro.] so all of the services run as user programs and communicate with messages thorough the kernel. As far as what I understood one of their disadvantages comes from here because context switching from user-mode to kernel-mode is expensive. Microkernel is the new trend(as Tanenbaum said:) and it is still growing. Some people think that microkernels did not give good performance till now because of bad designs. Who knows? There are(what I know) Mac OS X, L4 and MkLinux right now as the brand new microkernel OSes. I really don't know what is NT or Win2000. What I got, debates will always go on on the academic side but general acceptance of use will determine the winner. For now, my bet goes to Linux. ...and for the procedural/message-passing mapping. I decided to not try to do anything like that because I got confused more. Perhaps there is no relation like that. And also it is very hard to put UNIX under one category. And which UNIX? There are big differences betweeen UNIXs and Linux. I hope professor gives his opinion about this. Thanx for listening:) Akif, _______________________________________________ Csci555-chat mailing list Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat From dshell@robotics.usc.edu Tue Feb 4 21:11:09 2003 Received: from mcphail.usc.edu (mcphail.usc.edu [128.125.253.51]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with SMTP id h155B9D20020 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sagan.usc.edu(128.125.3.5) by mcphail.usc.edu via csmap id 25225; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phlogiston.usc.edu (phlogiston.usc.edu [128.125.12.208]) by sagan.usc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/usc) with ESMTP id h155B8C23811 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dylan Shell Reply-To: dshell@robotics.usc.edu To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu In-Reply-To: <200302041925.h14JP2D00157@gamma.isi.edu> References: <200302041925.h14JP2D00157@gamma.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: USC Robotics Research Lab Message-Id: <1044421866.1279.41.camel@phlogiston.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1- Date: 04 Feb 2003 21:11:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Csci555-chat] Accent to Mach Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: For more information on the Accent to Mach transformation (mentioned today in class), you may wish to refer to the following URL: http://hurd.gnufans.org/bin/view/Mach/MachHistory (Although it is brief, as the focus is from a GNU-Mach perspective). Additionally, given the recent posts regarding micro vs monolithic kernel, you might appreciate this (now very famous) piece of OS history: http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html If you've not read it before, its an amusing read. From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Feb 5 11:29:55 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h15JTtD03579 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h15JTsH04355 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h15JTrWh009797 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h15JTrYe009796 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:29:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:29:53 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030205192953.GD9243@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] A deadlock avoider thread example Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Here's a simple example of a deadlock avoider from the ASP EE, a multi-threaded active networking execution environment (a simple router OS) written in Java. The example is a little simplified, but the deadlock avoidance should be clear. The ASP EE provides a system where applications can register code to run at a later time - you can think of it like the DelayedFork example in the thread paper, or like a callback queue. The straightforward implementation is as follows. The queue is simply an array of records holding a function pointer and a timeout value. Applications can call an insert or delete routine that adds or removes the function it passes as a parameter from the array. (This is Java, so it's actually objects that export a given interface that can be added or deleted, but you can think of them as function pointers for this example.) Another sleeper thread runs every second or so, moving down the queue and decrementing the timeout values. If a timeout hits zero, the function is called and the record removed from the array. Because this is a multithreaded environment, the accesses to the array have to be synchronized. The add routine, the delete routine, and the scanning by the sleeper all acquire a lock before performing their operations. Now consider a function that wants to add a new entry to the callback queue when it is executed. The sleeper wakes up, acquires the lock to the array, scans the array and calls the function while holding the lock on the array. The function calls the queue add, which blocks trying to acquire the array lock (the sleeper already holds it and it's the sleeper making the function call). The thread is waiting for itself to release the lock it holds, which will clearly never happen. There are a couple places to add the deadlock avoider to avoid this. First, the sleeper can always fork a new thread to run the functions. Note that although this new function-calling thread must still acquire the lock, the sleeper thread can still make progress and will release the lock before it goes back to sleep - no deadlock. If the sleeper wants to avoid forking new threads for each function call (they may be expensive) the function itself can spin off a new thread. Either of these choices fork the thread to avoid the deadlock. Of the two, the first is probably better, even with costly thread startup costs. Calling the arbitrary functions can delay the sleeper, even if it doesn't deadlock and throw off the timing for the rest of the applications. As a third option, the sleeper could also collect the information to make all the function calls as it scans the array, remove the entries from the array, release the lock and make the calls, but this also has the problem of potentially delaying the sleeper, and adds complexity to the scan code. (Of course, the sleeper could collect the calling information and make all the fork calls after releasing the lock, but again, this seems to add extra code for no clear advantage). Hopefully that makes it clear that deadlock avoiders exist in practice. --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QWYxaUz3f+Zf+XsRAm8UAJ0VHlA0G4PqO5MTGc1X7ZywlKfeAwCdF7mD da4wBehpRfNnE5eNTLMSnvw= =W/ZL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl-- From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Feb 6 14:12:55 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h16MCtD05057 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h16MCtH13276 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16MCsWh018109 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16MCsbl018108 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:12:54 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030206221254.GB17578@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="K8nIJk4ghYZn606h" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Key for HW 1 posted Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A key has been posted for homework 1 on the main web page http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555 Sorry it's late. --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Qt3maUz3f+Zf+XsRAlcFAJ9+gh7GMyd2yNkQq4XSyvLOzne3dwCdGLtF GPd48T8VZQEovuK0psCW5i0= =D22j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h-- From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Feb 6 14:29:07 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h16MT6D13738 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h16MT5H26880 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16MT5Wh018181 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16MT5nr018180 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:29:05 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030206222905.GC17578@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CblX+4bnyfN0pR09" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] One of those days: CORRECTION on Munin Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Every semester there's one of those days in which I mess up enough things that I wonder why I'm teaching. You all got to see that today. So, in addition to forgetting to post the key to homework 1, and assigning papers to read in a sub-opitmal order, I misreperesnted part of Munin today. Let me straighten this out: The protocol parameters in Section 2.3.1 (Write vs. Invalidate, Replicas, etc.) are the types of synchronization that Munin implements. These are the building blocks from which Munin generates full synchronization and replication code. Mixing and matching these allow different variables to follow different synchronization protocols. The annotations in Section 2.3.2 are the words that can appear in Munin code. Each represents a set of parameter settings chosen along the axes of Section 2.3.1. Looking at Table 1, the Write-Shared annotation chooses to have write broadcast semantics of variables that may have delayed operations, replication (read caching), and dynamic ownership. Multiple unsynchronized writers are permitted, and the sharing properties are not guaranteed to be stable, so when the program changes phase, a different set of choices may apply. The only combinations of the parameters in Section 3.2.1 that Munin supported at the time of the publication were those corresponding to one of the annotations in Section 3.2.2. They mention that there are other combinations that may make sense, but that they were not implemented. I made it sound like both sets of words (those in 3.2.1 and 3.2.2) were annotations that could appear in code, whereas the truth is that only the words in Section 3.2.2 are used. Let me know if this is still unclear. And feel free to call me on things like that in class. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for the confusion. --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QuGxaUz3f+Zf+XsRAmc9AKCWejaqgByNphEKnQynbvwXqmi60gCgnu1t zdPgSPEHzEIekC1crQmj1EY= =sb+8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09-- From faber@ISI.EDU Fri Feb 7 10:09:36 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h17I9aD23093 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h17I9ZH19279 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h17I9ZWh029892 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h17I9Z1T029891 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:09:35 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030207180935.GE20930@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zjcmjzIkjQU2rmur" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homework 3 is posted Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --zjcmjzIkjQU2rmur Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Homework 3 is posted. It's only 2 questions, but the first one is fairly involved. It's also kind of fun for people who like synchronization problems. --zjcmjzIkjQU2rmur Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Q/ZfaUz3f+Zf+XsRAm60AKCNg5bkySbSG8yhkGq/2EhcZU0XKACg48j4 +8bSmWCw9zi5D/XRi7Ypfog= =1DMV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zjcmjzIkjQU2rmur-- From srikanth@vedha.com Sat Feb 8 22:26:28 2003 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h196QRD27303 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from srikanth ([4.40.140.7]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20030209062621.RFX10203.pop017.verizon.net@srikanth> for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:26:21 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Srikanth Nangunoori" To: Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.40.140.7] at Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:26:21 -0600 Subject: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hi all, This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and still waits for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a specific reason in doing so? Please comment. Regards, Srikanth From pol@usc.edu Sun Feb 9 10:29:21 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h19ITKD29159 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA200A990OW6Y@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.229.218] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:29:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:29:20 -0800 From: parikshit pol To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <3047343040c0.3040c0304734@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] new threads for handling RPC calls Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hi , In question 3 of HW2 I have written that there exists a pool of processes on the server which is assigneed for handling all the incoming RPC calls. Now I was wondering if we could use threads for the same. Now the processes which are unable to acquire the monitor lock will go into a wait state. The same will hold true for the new threads. Why did the guys in the paper go for new processes instead of threads which are more light weight! Or am I missing something here? -Parikshit Action without Vision is time pass, Vision without action is a dream, it is only when Vision is backed by Action that it creates significance. From fabbas@usc.edu Sun Feb 9 15:38:13 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h19NcDD00562 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA200LV4EZP1Z@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.30.50] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0800 From: fawad abbas Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <39461c38e9b6.38e9b639461c@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: For a request/response spanning upon multiple packets, we don't ask for the explicit acknowledgement in the last packet because in this case the next call will automatically acknowledge the previous received packet. Had the process made another call(received at calle within its retransmission timeout period) the last packet would have been acked automatically. Unfortunately this was not the case here. So that is why the callee is asking for specific acknowledgement after the timeout period. Does this help in NFS implementation? I doubt. The last packet returned from the callee will always have this timeout problem with the callee storing the last packet till timeout. I would have liked an automatic ack for the last packet from the caller side as well :). Any comments??? regards, Fawad ----- Original Message ----- From: Srikanth Nangunoori Date: Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC > Hi all, > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and > still waits > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a > specific reason > in doing so? Please comment. > > Regards, > Srikanth > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > From srikanth@vedha.com Sun Feb 9 18:56:51 2003 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1A2upD08771 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from srikanth ([4.40.140.7]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030210025645.VESH7656.out002.verizon.net@srikanth>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:56:45 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Srikanth Nangunoori" To: "fawad abbas" , Subject: RE: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:58:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39461c38e9b6.38e9b639461c@usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.40.140.7] at Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:56:44 -0600 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Actually the example in question did not have multiple results packets. It just has single packet and thats the reason it says "dontAck" in the packet but still waits for the ack. Srikanth -----Original Message----- From: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu]On Behalf Of fawad abbas Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:38 PM To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC For a request/response spanning upon multiple packets, we don't ask for the explicit acknowledgement in the last packet because in this case the next call will automatically acknowledge the previous received packet. Had the process made another call(received at calle within its retransmission timeout period) the last packet would have been acked automatically. Unfortunately this was not the case here. So that is why the callee is asking for specific acknowledgement after the timeout period. Does this help in NFS implementation? I doubt. The last packet returned from the callee will always have this timeout problem with the callee storing the last packet till timeout. I would have liked an automatic ack for the last packet from the caller side as well :). Any comments??? regards, Fawad ----- Original Message ----- From: Srikanth Nangunoori Date: Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC > Hi all, > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and > still waits > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a > specific reason > in doing so? Please comment. > > Regards, > Srikanth > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > _______________________________________________ Csci555-chat mailing list Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat From fabbas@usc.edu Sun Feb 9 19:20:26 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1A3KQD13749 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA200L6EPA22K@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.30.50] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:20:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:20:26 -0800 From: fawad abbas Subject: Re: RE: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <412f92412e20.412e20412f92@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I am sorry about missing that. But I guess that rest of the logic still applies. Fawad ----- Original Message ----- From: Srikanth Nangunoori Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC > Actually the example in question did not have multiple results > packets. It > just has single packet and thats the reason it says "dontAck" in > the packet > but still waits for the ack. > > Srikanth > > -----Original Message----- > From: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu > [csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu]On Behalf Of fawad abbas > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:38 PM > To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC > > > > For a request/response spanning upon multiple packets, we don't > ask for the > explicit > acknowledgement in the last packet because in this case the next > call will > automatically acknowledge the previous received packet. > > Had the process made another call(received at calle within its > retransmission timeout period) > the last packet would have been acked automatically. Unfortunately > this was > not the case here. > So that is why the callee is asking for specific acknowledgement > after the > timeout > period. > > Does this help in NFS implementation? I doubt. > The last packet returned from the callee will always have this timeout > problem with > the callee storing the last packet till timeout. I would have > liked an > automatic > ack for the last packet from the caller side as well :). > > Any comments??? > > regards, > Fawad > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Srikanth Nangunoori > Date: Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:28 pm > Subject: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC > > > Hi all, > > > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and > > still waits > > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a > > specific reason > > in doing so? Please comment. > > > > Regards, > > Srikanth > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Csci555-chat mailing list > > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Feb 10 08:59:52 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AGxpD26867 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AGxnH04240; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AGxmWh069387; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AGxmDp069386; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:59:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:59:48 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: Srikanth Nangunoori Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Message-ID: <20030210165948.GD68786@pun.isi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:28:10PM -0800, Srikanth Nangunoori wrote: > Hi all, > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and still waits > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a specific reason > in doing so? Please comment. Do you want *me* to comment, or is this an open question? --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+R9qEaUz3f+Zf+XsRAqJLAKDeNVXg1X5k/93Bibn10odtaZJqvACfZE71 sqWhs0+ciOdXnQEVX9hKBJw= =maeS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eqp4TxRxnD4KrmFZ-- From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Feb 10 09:01:40 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AH1eD27130 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AH1dH06863; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AH1dWh069414; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AH1ddb069413; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:01:38 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: Srikanth Nangunoori Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Message-ID: <20030210170138.GE68786@pun.isi.edu> References: <20030210165948.GD68786@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210165948.GD68786@pun.isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 08:59:48AM -0800, Ted Faber wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:28:10PM -0800, Srikanth Nangunoori wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and still waits > > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a specific reason > > in doing so? Please comment. > > Do you want *me* to comment, or is this an open question? Duh. I should read *all* my mail before responding. The other people on the list have already answered your question as far as I can tell. --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+R9ryaUz3f+Zf+XsRAlPJAJ9rNev4vSkqpZktsjK5e9UYQG3+xwCg8dnJ KwGrO7GQzBLcEDv3S8qmn7g= =flqG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t-- From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Feb 10 09:05:53 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AH5rD29094 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AH5qH09883 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AH5qWh069553 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AH5qA3069552 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:05:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:05:52 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030210170552.GG68786@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUk9VBj82R8Xhb8H" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homework 2 key posted Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --SUk9VBj82R8Xhb8H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The key to HW2 is on the web page. On time for a change. :-) --SUk9VBj82R8Xhb8H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+R9vwaUz3f+Zf+XsRArc0AKD/eMDWSG1yEDK9Y/i3IcXX0qtQBQCghNQv QJ/tC3vDSbOXUXmHPhJYlL4= =WXCI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUk9VBj82R8Xhb8H-- From srikanth.nangunoori@intel.com Mon Feb 10 09:31:03 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AHV3D10483 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.fm.intel.com (fmr01.intel.com [192.55.52.18]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AHV2b08254; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from talaria.fm.intel.com (talaria.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.39]) by hermes.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.51 2002/09/23 20:43:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id h1AHS5p03533; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:28:05 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.126]) by talaria.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.28 2003/01/13 19:44:39 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id h1AHEUO24719; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:14:30 GMT Received: from fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com ([132.233.42.156]) by fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003021009103616059 ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:10:36 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([132.233.42.219]) by fmsmsx331-2.fm.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:12:43 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:12:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6334.0 Thread-Index: AcLRJUgZrwA9uj0WEde1WwACpYxNAwAAgV7A From: "Nangunoori, Srikanth" To: "Ted Faber" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2003 17:12:43.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FDB8A10:01C2D127] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gamma.isi.edu id h1AHV3D10483 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: It is a open question. There were already couple of comments. Please can you comment as well? Srikanth -----Original Message----- From: Ted Faber [mailto:faber@ISI.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:00 AM To: Srikanth Nangunoori Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:28:10PM -0800, Srikanth Nangunoori wrote: > Hi all, > > This is regarding the RPC complicated calls example (fig 4). > In the results packet (packet = 2) the callee says "dontAck" and still waits > for the ack. I'm wondering is it just a typo or is there a specific reason > in doing so? Please comment. Do you want *me* to comment, or is this an open question? From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Feb 10 14:49:30 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AMnUD01151 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AMnQH04736; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AMnQWh071374; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AMnQMQ071373; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:26 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: Srikanth Nangunoori Cc: fawad abbas , csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Complicated calls in RPC Message-ID: <20030210224926.GA71306@pun.isi.edu> References: <39461c38e9b6.38e9b639461c@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 06:58:32PM -0800, Srikanth Nangunoori wrote: > Actually the example in question did not have multiple results packets. It > just has single packet and thats the reason it says "dontAck" in the packet > but still waits for the ack. Fawad (I hope that's a first name, and I apologize if not) has it correct. The data that makes up the result of the call is contained in one packet. It's sent with the dontack flag because the server is optimizing for the common case when another request from the client will arrive shortly. That request will act as an acknowledgement of the result packet, the same way that a result acts as an ack of a call packet. Only one request from server to client can be outstanding, even if the client runs several processes and the server exports several services - there isn't buffering for more. Because the server did not get another call, it requested specific acknowledgement of teh result by sending it again. --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+SCx2aUz3f+Zf+XsRAkYTAKCMEldtLtuc9g2kiinnFsW5rtnbEQCgnBQg NUlCbcQIEK1jcInQKmk56IA= =D7h7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From ssb@usc.edu Tue Feb 18 17:51:33 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1J1pXD20046 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from uscfdcpaulkf3r (vpn-211-085.usc.edu [128.125.211.85]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.08 (built Dec 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0HAJ0026U95XXG@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:51:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:51:35 -0800 From: SungShik Baik To: Cs555 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] will you upload previous midterm exam papers for sample? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I hope it will help to prepare midterm with right directions and undertand question style.. thanks.. From mqin@usc.edu Fri Feb 21 12:15:48 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1LKFmD22936 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from falchion (falchion.isi.edu [128.9.136.48]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with SMTP id h1LKFlb28549 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> From: "Min Qin" To: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:14:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2D9A2.B7645350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework3 solution problem Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2D9A2.B7645350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have a question concerning the solution posted by professor faber: in the solution, it mentioned that"a non-blocking input command needs to = be implemented as well" if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds ) { in("A", "B", args); out("A-completed"); return completed and args; } else return no_message; is this solution really non-blocking? The paper mentioned that if using = in operation, process will block until the tuple become available, and = the only difference between read and in is that no tuple will be deleted = from tuple space. So that means Read operation will also cause the = process to block if the tuple is not in the tuple space.=20 So the "if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds )" will actually be blocked = if there is no such tuple, even if some other guarcds has successfully = executed it's command.=20 do I misunderstand the read operation? Min ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2D9A2.B7645350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i have a question concerning the solution = posted by=20 professor faber:
 
in the solution, it mentioned that"a = non-blocking input=20 command needs to be implemented as well"
if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds )=20 {
          in("A", "B", = args);
         =20 out("A-completed");
        &n= bsp;=20 return completed and args;
    =20 }
     else return no_message;
is this solution really = non-blocking? The=20 paper mentioned that if using in operation, process will block = until the=20 tuple become available, and the only difference between read and in is = that no=20 tuple will be deleted from tuple space. So that means Read operation = will also=20 cause the process to block if the tuple is not in the tuple space.=20
So the "if = ( read("A",=20 "B", args) succeeds )"  will actually be blocked if there is no = such tuple,=20 even if some other guarcds has successfully executed it's command.=20
 
do I misunderstand the read=20 operation?
 
 
Min
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2D9A2.B7645350-- From fabbas@usc.edu Fri Feb 21 19:07:30 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1M37TD03211 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from c-24-126-16-71.we.client2.attbi.com ([24.126.16.71]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2003022203072405100134iqe>; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:07:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework3 solution problem From: fawad abbas To: Min Qin Cc: Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu In-Reply-To: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> References: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 21 Feb 2003 19:06:00 -0800 Message-Id: <1045883161.1978.21.camel@x1-6-00-08-74-e0-ff-4d> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:14, Min Qin wrote: > i have a question concerning the solution posted by professor faber: > > in the solution, it mentioned that"a non-blocking input command needs to be implemented as well" > if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds ) { > in("A", "B", args); > out("A-completed"); > return completed and args; > } > else return no_message; > > is this solution really non-blocking? The paper mentioned that if using in operation, process will block until the tuple become available, and the only difference between read and in is that no tuple will be deleted from tuple space. So that means Read operation will also cause the process to block if the tuple is not in the tuple space. > So the "if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds )" will actually be blocked if there is no such tuple, even if some other guarcds has successfully executed it's command. > > do I misunderstand the read operation? > > > Min This is a good point Min. I would say that we are checking in if condition if the call to read is returning or not because if it is not, it means that no corresponding tuple is present in the tuple space and hence we return the no_message status. One other thing is that I came across a concept of non-blocking read in linda. Does anyone would like to comment on it as well??? Fawad From mqin@usc.edu Fri Feb 21 20:42:09 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1M4g9D01604 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from falchion (ppp-227-206.usc.edu [128.125.227.206]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HAP00CR51266U@postal.usc.edu> for Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:42:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:38:31 -0800 From: Min Qin Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework3 solution problem To: fawad abbas Cc: Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <002e01c2da2c$81f74f80$cee37d80@falchion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> <1045883161.1978.21.camel@x1-6-00-08-74-e0-ff-4d> Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hi,fawad and and all, I don't think the explanation is correct. The main reason is that in CSP paper, it mentioned clearly that "when input commands appear as a guards, the command which corresponds to the earliest ready and maching output command should in general be prefered" (Page 4,ch. 2.4) So this statement means that if A?B and C?D appear as guards, then we should block the guarded command until one of them become ready. if A?B become ready earlier than C?D, then execute the command that corresponds to A?B. I think the word "earliest ready" is very important in understanding the problem. If the input guards simply returns when the writer/reader is not ready, then there is no need for the author to mention "earliest ready". And what will our solution code do? if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds ) { in("A", "B", args); out("A-completed"); return completed and args; } else return no_message; suppose A?B and C?D are the guards, at first the read command in the if statement will block because A and C both are not ready. after a while A and C both become ready at the same time, how can this solution guarantee that only one command is going to be executed? ----- Original Message ----- From: "fawad abbas" To: "Min Qin" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework3 solution problem > On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:14, Min Qin wrote: > > i have a question concerning the solution posted by professor faber: > > > > in the solution, it mentioned that"a non-blocking input command needs to be implemented as well" > > if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds ) { > > in("A", "B", args); > > out("A-completed"); > > return completed and args; > > } > > else return no_message; > > > > is this solution really non-blocking? The paper mentioned that if using in operation, process will block until the tuple become available, and the only difference between read and in is that no tuple will be deleted from tuple space. So that means Read operation will also cause the process to block if the tuple is not in the tuple space. > > So the "if ( read("A", "B", args) succeeds )" will actually be blocked if there is no such tuple, even if some other guarcds has successfully executed it's command. > > > > do I misunderstand the read operation? > > > > > > Min > > This is a good point Min. > > I would say that we are checking in if condition if the call to read is > returning or not because if it is not, it means that no corresponding > tuple is present in the tuple space and hence we return the > no_message status. > > One other thing is that I came across a concept of non-blocking read in > linda. Does anyone would like to comment on it as well??? > > Fawad > > > From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Feb 24 15:52:05 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1ONq5D15303 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1ONq1H25524; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1ONq1E8047875; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1ONq1Ph047874; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:52:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:52:00 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: Min Qin Cc: Csci555-chat@ISI.EDU, csci555@usc.edu Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework3 solution problem Message-ID: <20030224235200.GK46855@pun.isi.edu> References: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kswDJesP0akhmDn8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --kswDJesP0akhmDn8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:14:00PM -0800, Min Qin wrote: > do I misunderstand the read operation? *You* don't misunderstand the read operation, I did. I think there's a non-blocking variant somewhere in the world, but there's no reason you folks should have known about it, and no reason I should have assumed it was out there. You're completely correct about how read() works and my solution is incorrect for the non-blocking case. Ho Chung, please give people 4 out of 5 if they got the blocking system correct and give them 5 of 5 if they mentioned that a non-blocking read would be required. Sorry for the significant confusion. --kswDJesP0akhmDn8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+WrAgaUz3f+Zf+XsRAmIZAKCQQC/uUucN1QTFqwfNKvppSHQgXQCgoyzA 7A0ePF7302aPBPJu7bd+Feo= =ZPSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kswDJesP0akhmDn8-- From fabbas@usc.edu Tue Feb 25 13:53:00 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1PLr0D11278 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from c-24-126-16-71.we.client2.attbi.com ([24.126.16.71]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <200302252152540520093uk3e>; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:52:54 +0000 From: fawad abbas To: Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 25 Feb 2003 13:50:22 -0800 Message-Id: <1046209822.1163.6.camel@x1-6-00-08-74-e0-ff-4d> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Csci555-chat] Regarding Linda read() statement Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Just a comment on the Linda read( ) statement. Min has rightly pointed out the problem in the HW solution with the blocking read statement. However non-blocking versions of both read and in statements have also been developed. (though not covered in the linda paper we covered in the class). So this offers much more flexibilitly with the way we want to implement different problems using linda. Fawad From pol@usc.edu Tue Feb 25 16:09:56 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1Q09uD21713 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HAW00E4L3459J@postal.usc.edu> for Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.125.3.111] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:09:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:09:36 -0800 From: parikshit pol To: Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] due date for term paper? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hi , What is the due date for the term paper topic/abstract? Thanks, Parikshit Action without Vision is time pass, Vision without action is a dream, it is only when Vision is backed by Action that it creates significance. From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Feb 25 16:26:29 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1Q0QTD29553 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1Q0QRH28288; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1Q0QRE8053650; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1Q0QR4p053649; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: parikshit pol Cc: Csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] due date for term paper? Message-ID: <20030226002627.GB53120@pun.isi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 04:09:36PM -0800, parikshit pol wrote: > Hi , > What is the due date for the term paper topic/abstract? http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/papers.html --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+XAmzaUz3f+Zf+XsRAi1DAJ0Wyx41SgNjhM7Zwty0wjEDFTFnVACggFOX VHDAK2/bXacZsxsYnFFGem8= =Og49 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- From ssb@usc.edu Tue Mar 4 21:04:59 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2554xZ12176 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from uscfdcpaulkf3r (vpn-209-016.usc.edu [128.125.209.16]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HB900DUTFFRO0@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:04:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:04:42 -0800 From: SungShik Baik To: Cs555 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] kernel crossing? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: hello, can you explain "kernel crossing" in Emerald paper? thanks.. From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Mar 5 08:07:41 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h25G7fZ02901 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h25G7Zv15122; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h25G7Z0f047495; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h25G7ZPJ047494; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:07:35 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: SungShik Baik Cc: Cs555 Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] kernel crossing? Message-ID: <20030305160735.GB47166@pun.isi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5I6of5zJg18YgZEa" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 09:04:42PM -0800, SungShik Baik wrote: > hello, > > can you explain "kernel crossing" in Emerald paper? This is the process of making a system call. The processor changes to supervisor mode and arguments are copied form user memory to kernel memory. It's a concept you should be familiar with from basic operating systems, and any good text will describe it under "kernel crossing" or "system call". --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ZiDHaUz3f+Zf+XsRAlh2AJ0Tyy+rzMCijQf7qbF5lWdbCGzLRwCghtCe aG8f5xqPGH+Bn1Ex2jb7uVg= =3+Kk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa-- From dshell@robotics.usc.edu Thu Mar 6 12:22:04 2003 Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h26KM4Z03923 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sagan.usc.edu (root@sagan.usc.edu [128.125.3.5]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id MAA17865 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from phlogiston.usc.edu (phlogiston.usc.edu [128.125.12.208]) by sagan.usc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/usc) with ESMTP id h26KM4V22836 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Dylan Shell Reply-To: dshell@robotics.usc.edu To: Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu In-Reply-To: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> References: <004801c2d9e5$c5bb7490$30880980@falchion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: USC Robotics Research Lab Message-Id: <1046982101.2123.7.camel@phlogiston.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1- Date: 06 Mar 2003 12:21:41 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Csci555-chat] LOCUS Paper Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Has anyone tried/succeeded in the printing the LOCUS paper? I tried to print it on an über HP printer yesterday, and it claimed to have run out of memory. Frankly I suspect that its lying. (It managed to print that smear diagram in the NT 4.0 File System usage paper.) If you've had any luck pls, send some tidbits my way. Dylan From ssb@usc.edu Sat Mar 8 15:58:15 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h28NwFZ20152 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from uscfdcpaulkf3r (vpn-211-070.usc.edu [128.125.211.70]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HBG003S3FX2X6@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 15:58:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 15:58:17 -0800 From: SungShik Baik To: Cs555 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] delayed transaction work? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: in "Hints for System design"paper for professor to explain "keep a place to stand". gave Backward Compatibility example.. and "Delayed transaction work" is said.. but I can't understand this term well. can you explain this term again? thanks.. From njayaram@usc.edu Sat Mar 8 23:04:06 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h29746Z15075 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HBG00DNWZM9K8@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [67.122.4.4] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:03:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:03:45 -0800 From: narayana jayaram To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <2b51d42b5113.2b51132b51d4@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] midterm exam room? Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hello, Is the midterm going to be in the classroom? because it said "TBA" on the webpage. -N.Murthy From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Mar 10 15:53:24 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2ANrOZ16494 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2ANrBv25191; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2ANrB0f076592; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2ANrBj1076591; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: narayana jayaram Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] midterm exam room? Message-ID: <20030310235310.GD74184@pun.isi.edu> References: <2b51d42b5113.2b51132b51d4@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tRjCiSMHexiP9I5N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2b51d42b5113.2b51132b51d4@usc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --tRjCiSMHexiP9I5N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 11:03:45PM -0800, narayana jayaram wrote: > Hello, > > Is the midterm going to be in the classroom? because it said "TBA" on > the webpage. It will be held in teh same room as class; I'll put the information up. --tRjCiSMHexiP9I5N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+bSVmaUz3f+Zf+XsRAhrGAKDrNIVvc/QRL32/TiZrKZnq8yzt+ACgn6jA cPNap2M+8en4KxgBJNlQJGk= =UTdY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tRjCiSMHexiP9I5N-- From faber@ISI.EDU Mon Mar 10 16:09:06 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2B095Z25783 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2B091v06022; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2B0910f076817; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2B091u9076816; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:09:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:09:01 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: SungShik Baik Cc: Cs555 Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] delayed transaction work? Message-ID: <20030311000901.GG74184@pun.isi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5uhzMJlTksuFv+PE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --5uhzMJlTksuFv+PE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 03:58:17PM -0800, SungShik Baik wrote: > in "Hints for System design"paper > > for professor to explain "keep a place to stand". gave Backward > Compatibility example.. > > and "Delayed transaction work" is said.. but I can't understand this term > well. I don't see that term used in the last 2 paragraphs on page 9, which looks like the "keep a place to stand" discussion to me. --5uhzMJlTksuFv+PE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+bSkdaUz3f+Zf+XsRAsKgAKC8yO2477u/BBcU/c61eE3rTUK3HQCg0ram 6a/6pNtuajFPfJdUNBSNqMM= =o0OZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5uhzMJlTksuFv+PE-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Mar 12 09:07:14 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2CH7BZ19539 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h2CH7Bv08688 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2CH7A0f086246 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2CH7ARG086245 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:10 -0800 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030312170710.GC85691@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hYooF8G/hrfVAmum" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Calculators and the midterm Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I realized today that some people were taking my mentions of calculators much more seriously than I intended. When I was an engineering undergraduate student, I took my calculator to every exam, including English or Philosophy exams. This is because I spent many hours with my calculator and it made me feel safe. I decided then that I would always allow people to bring them to exams, should I ever give exams. That being said, there is no objective reason to bring a calculator to the exam, any you shouldn't be rushing around trying to borrow one, or to figure out why I might have mentioned it. I can't easily imagine how one might use a calculator on the exam. Beyond counting, I don't believe that any arithmatic at all is required on the midterm. Sorry for any confusion that this may have generated. --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+b2k+aUz3f+Zf+XsRAhL1AKDkxfBQv0dUBd7MvPfIgkIrvxa07wCfatpc je0cfJxE2kOLF3572UmcB6o= =DM8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum-- From rsoma@usc.edu Thu Apr 3 13:30:18 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h33LUIk28501 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h33LUIT22822 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphynx.usc.edu (sphynx.usc.edu [128.125.72.137]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HCS00M35EEHJ4@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:30:16 -0800 From: Ramakrishna Soma In-reply-to: <20030311000901.GG74184@pun.isi.edu> To: Cs555 Message-id: <1049405416.16274.3.camel@sphynx.usc.edu> Organization: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030311000901.GG74184@pun.isi.edu> Subject: [Csci555-chat] Lamport's writings Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: The complete list of Lamports writings and some history/trivia on each.. http://research.microsoft.com/users/lamport/pubs/pubs.html cool stuff! have fun, ram From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 8 14:26:36 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h38LQak23988 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h38LQZ128234 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38LQZjJ038984 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38LQZNk038983 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:26:35 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030408212635.GA38936@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping you with the upcoming final, either. So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more homeworks before the final? Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+kz6LaUz3f+Zf+XsRAmSZAJ4hIAwHP8H86HWCbLiSAcwH0G4EYwCcCrG2 ckpxA+InRGYByCjtOROqCTw= =lhl7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- From tokuz@usc.edu Tue Apr 8 17:44:44 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h390iik20561 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h390ihT16413 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akif (adsl-64-166-98-50.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.166.98.50]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.3 patch/8.12.3) with SMTP id h390idHq017365 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:44:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3E936CEB.000001.05340@akif> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:44:27 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3QW1QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850928) From: "Akif Tokuz" References: <20030408212635.GA38936@pun.isi.edu> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --------------Boundary-00=_3QW1QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_3QW1LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_3QW1LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMHO, I think we had enought HWs. It would be better if we concentrate on the paper, considering only 2 weeks left!=0D =0D Akif,=0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Ted Faber=0D Date: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:30:06 PM=0D To: cs555 discussion list=0D Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks=0D =0D I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all=0D concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that=0D homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more=0D grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to=0D you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have=0D the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area=0D and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping=0D you=0D with the upcoming final, either.=0D =0D So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more=0D homeworks before the final?=0D =0D Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me.=0D =0D -- =0D ----------------------------------------------------------------------=0D Ted Faber faber@isi.edu=0D USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber=0D (310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc --------------Boundary-00=_3QW1LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMHO, I think we had enought HWs. It would be better if we concentra= te on the paper, considering only 2 weeks left!
 
Akif,
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Ted Faber
Date: Tuesday, Apr= il 08, 2003 2:30:06 PM
Subject: [Csci555-= chat] Homeworks
 
I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figu= red you were all
concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I= recognize that
homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or ge= t a couple more
grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for = the tradeoffs to
you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially= when you all have
the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of res= earching an OS area
and composing a paper about it; however, I don't w= ant to miss helping
you
with the upcoming final, either.

So = here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more
homework= s before the final?

Feel free to reply either to the list at large= or to me.

--
------------------------------------------------= ----------------------
Ted Faber fabe= r@isi.edu
USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber
(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pub= keys.asc

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We need to concentrate on our paper which's 35% of our grade. Even more than final exam!! Yossapon From njayaram@usc.edu Tue Apr 8 18:04:24 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3914Ok26811 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3914OT26208 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD10038IXNBVF@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.81.198.214] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:04:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:04:23 -0700 From: narayana jayaram Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <25a706a25ab19c.25ab19c25a706a@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Same Thoughts here. I believe that the paper will take considerable time in order to do an in-depth study. I guess it would be better not to have more HW in between. nmj ----- Original Message ----- From: Akif Tokuz Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > IMHO, I think we had enought HWs. It would be better if we concentrate on > the paper, considering only 2 weeks left! > > > > Akif, > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Ted Faber > > Date: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:30:06 PM > > To: cs555 discussion list > > Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > > > > I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all > > concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that > > homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more > > grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to > > you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have > > the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area > > and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping > > you > > with the upcoming final, either. > > > > So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more > > homeworks before the final? > > > > Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me. > > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ted Faber faber@isi.edu > > USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber > > (310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc From sarangar@usc.edu Tue Apr 8 23:21:00 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h396L0k10087 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h396L0T03858 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Intrepid.usc.edu (vpn-208-112.usc.edu [128.125.208.112]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD20035LCAZVM@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@isi.edu; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:19:59 -0700 From: Ramesh Sarangarajan Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks In-reply-to: <20030408212635.GA38936@pun.isi.edu> X-Sender: sarangar@email.usc.edu To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030408231923.00b1f0b0@email.usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: IMHO, we need a couple more HWs before facing the finals. We had and still have a lot of time for term paper. -Ramesh At 02:26 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all >concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that >homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more >grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to >you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have >the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area >and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping >you >with the upcoming final, either. > >So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more >homeworks before the final? > >Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ted Faber faber@isi.edu >USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber >(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc From fabbas@usc.edu Thu Apr 10 14:00:46 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3AL0kk19562 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3AL0jT19128 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD500JT1BP9A0@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.30.102] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:45 -0700 From: fawad abbas To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <674ee866ff3b.66ff3b674ee8@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us concentrate on the paper. Fawad From tovikkai@usc.edu Thu Apr 10 14:17:44 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ALHik29302 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ALHiT00550 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD500J5BCHJA3@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.140.136] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700 From: chayanont tovikkai Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <6903ee68c2c1.68c2c16903ee@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I would prefer not to have more homeworks. However, if the Professor can post some sample questions and answers for related topics, it will be very helpful. Chayanont From sutharat@usc.edu Thu Apr 10 15:14:15 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3AMEFk27554 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3AMEFT14864 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yossapon (c-24-126-88-47.we.client2.attbi.com[24.126.88.47]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2003041022140905100nf8j4e>; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:14:09 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2ffae$84a2cf50$a57ba8c0@YOSSAPON> Reply-To: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" From: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030408231923.00b1f0b0@email.usc.edu> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:10:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I would do this way. Before paper due which is the last day of class on 2nd May, I mostly prefer concentrate on the term paper. I have a feeling that writing a paper may not too hard but a good paper do. About homework or preparation for final such as exam quide or example quesitons, I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which is 13th May. Yossapon From sarangar@usc.edu Thu Apr 10 16:49:02 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ANn1k09039 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ANn0T21956 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Intrepid.usc.edu (vpn-208-005.usc.edu [128.125.208.5]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD500J67JHJAA@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:47:42 -0700 From: Ramesh Sarangarajan Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks In-reply-to: <20030408212635.GA38936@pun.isi.edu> X-Sender: sarangar@email.usc.edu To: cs555 discussion list Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030410164119.00b1f458@email.usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: It seems that a vast majority of the class would prefer not to have further homeworks. But for people like me (I missed two homeworks) who missed homeworks assuming that we'll get HWs often (considering that we were given HWs for 3 consecutive weeks) and hence underestimated the importance of a single HW, getting another chance would be GREAT :) I have a request to Professor that we be given new HWs, but only taking the best 3 HW grades into account. IMHO, that would be satisfying all. Thanks, -Ramesh At 02:26 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, Ted Faber wrote: >I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all >concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that >homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more >grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to >you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have >the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area >and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping >you >with the upcoming final, either. > >So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more >homeworks before the final? > >Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ted Faber faber@isi.edu >USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber >(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc From fabbas@aludra.usc.edu Thu Apr 10 16:57:31 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ANvVk13226 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3ANvVT26795 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.184]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD5007BCJVU4T@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: fabbas Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks In-reply-to: <000001c2ffae$84a2cf50$a57ba8c0@YOSSAPON> To: Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn wrote: > I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one > which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which > is 13th May. > > Yossapon Considering that some people did miss their homeworks, Yossapan's idea seems good to me. fawad From kara@usc.edu Thu Apr 10 17:03:32 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3B03Wk16762 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3B03VT00869 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD500JG7K5VAA@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@isi.edu; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.5.57] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700 From: musa kara Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <784a9978776d.78776d784a99@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I agree. other courses have projects due this period as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: fawad abbas Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:00 pm Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion > > I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us concentrate > on the paper. > > Fawad > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > From subashik@usc.edu Fri Apr 11 12:45:13 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3BJjDk17872 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HD700A5T2VDTH@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.19.47] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:45:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:45:13 -0700 From: subashini krishnamurthy To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] Re: Csci555-chat digest, Vol 1 #25 - 6 msgs Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive:

Hi,

   I guess homeworks would actually help in giving more thoughts to certain important concept in some abstract papers.Probably we can have one or two homeworks  but with deadlines that would not make it impossible for doing our research paper well.Professor,probably you can choose or get some opinion from class to learn which papers seem to be a bit difficult for most students in class and then give us some questions to think . I guess that would help us in our final exams.Thats just my opinion!

Subha

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> From: fawad abbas <fabbas@usc.edu>
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>
> I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us concentrate
> on the paper.
>
> Fawad
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> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700
> From: chayanont tovikkai <tovikkai@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
>
> I would prefer not to have more homeworks.
> However, if the Professor can post some sample questions and answers for
> related topics, it will be very helpful.
>
> Chayanont
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Reply-To: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" <sutharat@usc.edu>
> From: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" <sutharat@usc.edu>
> To: <csci555-chat@ISI.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:10:56 -0700
>
> I would do this way. Before paper due which is the last day of class on 2nd
> May, I mostly prefer concentrate on the term paper. I have a feeling that
> writing a paper may not too hard but a good paper do.
> About homework or preparation for final such as exam quide or example
> quesitons, I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one
> which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which
> is 13th May.
>
> Yossapon
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:47:42 -0700
> From: Ramesh Sarangarajan <sarangar@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: cs555 discussion list <csci555-chat@ISI.EDU>
>
> It seems that a vast majority of the class would prefer not to have
> further
> homeworks. But for people like me (I missed two homeworks) who missed
> homeworks assuming that we'll get HWs often (considering that we were
> given
> HWs for 3 consecutive weeks) and hence underestimated the importance of a
> single HW, getting another chance would be GREAT :)
>
> I have a request to Professor that we be given new HWs, but only taking
> the
> best 3 HW grades into account.
> IMHO, that would be satisfying all.
>
> Thanks,
> -Ramesh
>
> At 02:26 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, Ted Faber wrote:
> >I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all
> >concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that
> >homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more
> >grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to
> >you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have
> >the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area
> >and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping
> >you
> >with the upcoming final, either.
> >
> >So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more
> >homeworks before the final?
> >
> >Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me.
> >
> >--
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Ted Faber faber@isi.edu
> >USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber
> >(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: fabbas <fabbas@aludra.usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn <sutharat@usc.edu>
> Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn wrote:
>
> > I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one
> > which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which
> > is 13th May.
> >
> > Yossapon
>
> Considering that some people did miss their homeworks, Yossapan's idea
> seems good to me.
>
> fawad
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700
> From: musa kara <kara@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion
> To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
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> I agree.
>
> other courses have projects due this period as well.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fawad abbas <fabbas@usc.edu>
> Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:00 pm
> Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion
>
> >
> > I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us
> concentrate
> > on the paper.
> >
> > Fawad
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Also, some sample finals or previous finals, too. Thanks, Prithvi Srihari. -----Original Message----- From: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu] On Behalf Of subashini krishnamurthy Sent: 11 April 2003 12:45 To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Subject: [Csci555-chat] Re: Csci555-chat digest, Vol 1 #25 - 6 msgs Hi, I guess homeworks would actually help in giving more thoughts to certain important concept in some abstract papers.Probably we can have one or two homeworks but with deadlines that would not make it impossible for doing our research paper well.Professor,probably you can choose or get some opinion from class to learn which papers seem to be a bit difficult for most students in class and then give us some questions to think . I guess that would help us in our final exams.Thats just my opinion! 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Re: Homeworks (Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn) > 4. Re: Homeworks (Ramesh Sarangarajan) > 5. Re: Homeworks (fabbas) > 6. Re: homework opinion (musa kara) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:45 -0700 > From: fawad abbas > To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU > Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion > > > I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us concentrate > on the paper. > > Fawad > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700 > From: chayanont tovikkai > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU > > I would prefer not to have more homeworks. > However, if the Professor can post some sample questions and answers for > related topics, it will be very helpful. > > Chayanont > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Reply-To: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" > From: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" > To: > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:10:56 -0700 > > I would do this way. Before paper due which is the last day of class on 2nd > May, I mostly prefer concentrate on the term paper. I have a feeling that > writing a paper may not too hard but a good paper do. > About homework or preparation for final such as exam quide or example > quesitons, I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one > which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which > is 13th May. > > Yossapon > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:47:42 -0700 > From: Ramesh Sarangarajan > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > To: cs555 discussion list > > It seems that a vast majority of the class would prefer not to have > further > homeworks. But for people like me (I missed two homeworks) who missed > homeworks assuming that we'll get HWs often (considering that we were > given > HWs for 3 consecutive weeks) and hence underestimated the importance of a > single HW, getting another chance would be GREAT :) > > I have a request to Professor that we be given new HWs, but only taking > the > best 3 HW grades into account. > IMHO, that would be satisfying all. > > Thanks, > -Ramesh > > At 02:26 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, Ted Faber wrote: > >I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all > >concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that > >homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more > >grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to > >you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have > >the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area > >and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping > >you > >with the upcoming final, either. > > > >So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more > >homeworks before the final? > > > >Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me. > > > >-- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Ted Faber faber@isi.edu > >USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber > >(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: fabbas > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks > To: Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn > Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn wrote: > > > I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one > > which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which > > is 13th May. > > > > Yossapon > > Considering that some people did miss their homeworks, Yossapan's idea > seems good to me. > > fawad > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700 > From: musa kara > Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion > To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU > > I agree. > > other courses have projects due this period as well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fawad abbas > Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:00 pm > Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion > > > > > I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us > concentrate > > on the paper. > > > > Fawad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Csci555-chat mailing list > > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Csci555-chat mailing list > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat > > > End of Csci555-chat Digest > _______________________________________________ Csci555-chat mailing list Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat --Boundary_(ID_t8IpU+opP+TXQPlUuXyb2Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi,

This is a good Idea. Also, some sample finals or previous finals, too.

Thanks,

Prithvi Srihari.

 

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Sent: 11 April 2003 12:45
To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu
Subject: [Csci555-chat] Re: Csci555-chat digest, Vol 1 #25 - 6 msgs

 

Hi,

   I guess homeworks would actually help in giving more thoughts to certain important concept in some abstract papers.Probably we can have one or two homeworks  but with deadlines that would not make it impossible for doing our research paper well.Professor,probably you can choose or get some opinion from class to learn which papers seem to be a bit difficult for most students in class and then give us some questions to think . I guess that would help us in our final exams.Thats just my opinion!

Subha

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:45 -0700
> From: fawad abbas <fabbas@usc.edu>
> To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
> Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion
>
>
> I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us concentrate
> on the paper.
>
> Fawad
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:17:43 -0700
> From: chayanont tovikkai <tovikkai@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
>
> I would prefer not to have more homeworks.
> However, if the Professor can post some sample questions and answers for
> related topics, it will be very helpful.
>
> Chayanont
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Reply-To: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" <sutharat@usc.edu>
> From: "Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn" <sutharat@usc.edu>
> To: <csci555-chat@ISI.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:10:56 -0700
>
> I would do this way. Before paper due which is the last day of class on 2nd
> May, I mostly prefer concentrate on the term paper. I have a feeling that
> writing a paper may not too hard but a good paper do.
> About homework or preparation for final such as exam quide or example
> quesitons, I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one
> which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which
> is 13th May.
>
> Yossapon
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:47:42 -0700
> From: Ramesh Sarangarajan <sarangar@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: cs555 discussion list <csci555-chat@ISI.EDU>
>
> It seems that a vast majority of the class would prefer not to have
> further
> homeworks. But for people like me (I missed two homeworks) who missed
> homeworks assuming that we'll get HWs often (considering that we were
> given
> HWs for 3 consecutive weeks) and hence underestimated the importance of a
> single HW, getting another chance would be GREAT :)
>
> I have a request to Professor that we be given new HWs, but only taking
> the
> best 3 HW grades into account.
> IMHO, that would be satisfying all.
>
> Thanks,
> -Ramesh
>
> At 02:26 PM 4/8/2003 -0700, Ted Faber wrote:
> >I haven't been assigning homeworks lately because I figured you were all
> >concentrating on your papers and proposals. However I recognize that
> >homeworks may help you all prepare for the final or get a couple more
> >grades on record. It's tough for me to get a feel for the tradeoffs to
> >you. I have no desire to assign busy work, especially when you all have
> >the daunting and hopefully exciting prospect of researching an OS area
> >and composing a paper about it; however, I don't want to miss helping
> >you
> >with the upcoming final, either.
> >
> >So here's what I want to know: are you interested in having more
> >homeworks before the final?
> >
> >Feel free to reply either to the list at large or to me.
> >
> >--
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Ted Faber faber@isi.edu
> >USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber
> >(310) 448-9190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: fabbas <fabbas@aludra.usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Homeworks
> To: Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn <sutharat@usc.edu>
> Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Yossapon Sutharattanachaiporn wrote:
>
> > I would prefer to do after paper due if it suppose to have one
> > which may be posted on the 3rd that might due on 9th May before final which
> > is 13th May.
> >
> > Yossapon
>
> Considering that some people did miss their homeworks, Yossapan's idea
> seems good to me.
>
> fawad
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0700
> From: musa kara <kara@usc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion
> To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU
>
> I agree.
>
> other courses have projects due this period as well.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fawad abbas <fabbas@usc.edu>
> Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:00 pm
> Subject: [Csci555-chat] homework opinion
>
> >
> > I would say that instead of concentrating on homeworks, let us
> concentrate
> > on the paper.
> >
> > Fawad
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Csci555-chat mailing list
> > Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu
> > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat
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_______________________________________________ Csci555-chat mailing list Csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/csci555-chat --Boundary_(ID_t8IpU+opP+TXQPlUuXyb2Q)-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 15 15:24:09 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMO9023003 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMO8120136 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FMO8fX096600 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FMO8qj096599 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:24:08 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030415222408.GD93423@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Homework #4 Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Homework 4 is up. The questions are structured a little more like exam questions, but you are allowed to use any resources except other people. I suggest approaching them like exam questions - try them closed book, then fill in with material from your notes after you've tried to answer from memory. Homework 4 is due 25 Apr 2003. --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+nIaIaUz3f+Zf+XsRAlVhAJoC5PQT522lEoea2iMRUOtw/W2R5wCg2/FC iu62zbI7mDGjM6T2Du3N5QM= =VTh6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 15 15:26:00 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMQ0023917 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMPx121614 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FMPxfX096636 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FMPxo1096635 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:25:59 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030415222559.GE93423@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RpqchZ26BWispMcB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Planned Papers for the rest of the year Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --RpqchZ26BWispMcB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline As I mentioned, plan to read papers through 17 Apr on the syllabus. Also reed the Freenet paper [Clarke00]. Obviously we'll fine tune this as we get closer to then end of the month. --RpqchZ26BWispMcB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+nIb3aUz3f+Zf+XsRAm8LAJ9dOSrPxBXxF26gOPoJ/DQoeOwI6gCggkbn O515ggqQFij+EROhi494k2Y= =Ut3s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RpqchZ26BWispMcB-- From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 15 15:32:30 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMWU026057 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3FMWT125392 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FMWTfX096791 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FMWT71096790 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:29 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030415223229.GF93423@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Delay in posting final Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to delay posting the final until after HW 4 is due, because I see that several homeowrk problems are answered by the key to last year's final. I did say that the questions were very similar to exam questions, but until I looked at the old exam I didn't realize how similar. --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+nIh9aUz3f+Zf+XsRAimaAJ9CFN3wArrkWRMcTcsZxsO7gLsZeACePOpf HHHFeVL6Z4TEdF0A4NKvLoI= =CnGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq-- From fabbas@usc.edu Tue Apr 22 00:04:45 2003 Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6] (may be forged)) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3M74j017421 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HDQ00AA7GZWGJ@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.126.16.100] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:04:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:04:44 -0700 From: fawad abbas To: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu Message-id: <1f77911f54e7.1f54e71f7791@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] Suggestion about future papers Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: I have a suggestion about the future papers if it is okay with the Professor and class. It is clear now that we won't be able to go through all the research papers in the syllabus. So I would suggest that instead of going through the syllabus in the exact order, Prof can select the important/interesting ones from the remaining papers and cover those. Just a suggestion. Fawad From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 22 17:57:11 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N0vB017492 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N0vA116220; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3N0vAfX017343; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3N0vAfB017342; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:57:10 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: fawad abbas Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Suggestion about future papers Message-ID: <20030423005710.GR53947@pun.isi.edu> References: <1f77911f54e7.1f54e71f7791@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SZSwH5G1FJ2Fz+jP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f77911f54e7.1f54e71f7791@usc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --SZSwH5G1FJ2Fz+jP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:04:44AM -0700, fawad abbas wrote: > I have a suggestion about the future papers if it is okay with the > Professor and class. > > It is clear now that we won't be able to go through all the research > papers in the syllabus. So I would suggest that instead of going > through the syllabus in the exact order, Prof can select the > important/interesting ones from the remaining papers and cover those. I'll do so before class on Thursday and post the amended paper list on the web page. --SZSwH5G1FJ2Fz+jP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+peTmaUz3f+Zf+XsRAtm/AKDW1qmibCPaZ6DGlwUou4lokHQt5gCfSE+I UmehyTuVDZToUFaYA5qDmDg= =Tsf1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SZSwH5G1FJ2Fz+jP-- From pol@usc.edu Tue Apr 22 18:02:36 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N12Z018859 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N12ZT17414; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HDR0029SUWBU8@postal.usc.edu>; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.9.134] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:02:35 -0700 From: parikshit pol To: Ted Faber Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <63fd37640166.64016663fd37@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Subject: [Csci555-chat] term paper Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hello Professor, The Term paper guideline says "The paper is a 12 page manuscript on the topic accepted in the proposal". Does this mean the paper has to be 12 pages? Or is it some min. or max. no of pages it can be? Thanks, Parikshit Action without Vision is time pass, Vision without action is a dream, it is only when Vision is backed by Action that it creates significance. From faber@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 22 18:04:06 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N146019259 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3N145119884; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3N145fX017505; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3N145Yq017504; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:04:05 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: parikshit pol Cc: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <20030423010405.GT53947@pun.isi.edu> References: <63fd37640166.64016663fd37@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dQ+ozEaLk2y6HH72" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63fd37640166.64016663fd37@usc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Re: term paper Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --dQ+ozEaLk2y6HH72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 06:02:35PM -0700, parikshit pol wrote: > Hello Professor, > > The Term paper guideline says "The paper is a 12 page manuscript on > the topic accepted in the proposal". Does this mean the paper has to > be 12 pages? Or is it some min. or max. no of pages it can be? 12 pages is an upper bound. It must be at most 12 pages (not counting references). --dQ+ozEaLk2y6HH72 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+peaEaUz3f+Zf+XsRAvJEAKCLLxIWWtUKwzFWRO0gDIVZXdrHfgCgnHu3 27P1LRn5JgSsfCfKiCMXCuw= =af92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dQ+ozEaLk2y6HH72-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 23 08:59:28 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3NFxS029349 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3NFxS111760 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NFxRfX079108 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NFxQxM079107 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:59:25 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030423155924.GD19354@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FFoLq8A0u+X9iRU8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Final Exam Room Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --FFoLq8A0u+X9iRU8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The final exam will be 13 May 2003 11 AM-1 PM PDT (1800-2000 GMT) in MHP 106. If there's a problem with MHP 106 that I need to know about, please tell me ASAP. --FFoLq8A0u+X9iRU8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+prhcaUz3f+Zf+XsRApHPAKCeHcx3BMCqHf8orPf7yeb5g01qlgCfVMWZ UpEtP02cesqAxcFLTh22MO4= =Xrvz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FFoLq8A0u+X9iRU8-- From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Apr 24 14:19:12 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLJC019814 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLJC129985 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3OLJBfX098687 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3OLJB1p098686 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:19:11 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030424211911.GF97390@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rMWmSaSbD7nr+du9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Referencing figures Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --rMWmSaSbD7nr+du9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Several folks have asked about referencing figures that you find from other papers. Like any idea, figures taken from another source need an attribution. A caption is a good place to place such a citiation. You may want to think about redrawing such a figure or modifying it slightly to mesh better with your presentation. If you keep the fundamental idea and presentation of the figure, you should still cite the source as though you'd paraphrased the idea. You can see an example of a modified figure in Figure 2 of the following: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubs/html/infocom99/ http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubs/time_wait.pdf If the figure is original from you, you needn't make a special citation for it (though the ideas in the text still need citation). --rMWmSaSbD7nr+du9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+qFTPaUz3f+Zf+XsRArn2AJ9qNTeMmHBkLme519Jyb6EizNzkggCdHNHP B1yUVSF/NK2o/JbzP9w98jE= =FsGh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rMWmSaSbD7nr+du9-- From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Apr 24 14:22:18 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLMI020731 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLMI101565 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3OLMHfX098730 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3OLMH5W098729 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:22:17 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030424212217.GH97390@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tT3UgwmDxwvOMqfu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] I will not be at the final exam Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --tT3UgwmDxwvOMqfu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline It should not be an issue, but I will not be able to be present to proctor the final exam. I'm going to be unavoidably out of town. I'll make sure that Ho Chung knows what I'm looking for and can adequately answer questions during the exam. I apologize for not being there, but it's unavoidable. --tT3UgwmDxwvOMqfu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+qFWJaUz3f+Zf+XsRAlQJAJ4zIxdMPzFNsfFqrwuqZ40sMBVWYwCdFNt/ MoF02SkpcpymxMRjB/PYmQU= =wWk7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tT3UgwmDxwvOMqfu-- From faber@ISI.EDU Thu Apr 24 14:23:18 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLNI021414 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3OLNI101870 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3OLNHfX098778 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3OLNHlm098777 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:17 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030424212317.GI97390@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YrQNB5Deg1WGKZi3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] readings for last classes Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --YrQNB5Deg1WGKZi3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The readings for next week's classes are posted on http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/ Flush your cache if you don't see them. --YrQNB5Deg1WGKZi3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE+qFXFaUz3f+Zf+XsRAiqLAJjkqXDT1Om2MzenKxXDX12KwiwuAJ43+X/a cqVdAcnjSLSQIFNVtMBmLg== =yJLR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YrQNB5Deg1WGKZi3-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 30 08:26:53 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFQr002233 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFQq117705 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UFQqfX008984 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3UFQqXY008983 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:52 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030430152652.GE7878@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4wkndigzIeYF6Hbg" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] HW 4 && last year's final on the web page Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --4wkndigzIeYF6Hbg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A copy of teh key to last year's final is posted on the web page http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/ , as well as the key to homework 4. --4wkndigzIeYF6Hbg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+r+s8aUz3f+Zf+XsRAlctAKD1PnpLywrCwNyuaI2NbTru6VOpuACfWl2p F0mX1noT6/EOTA15fJqz3OQ= =LwIv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4wkndigzIeYF6Hbg-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 30 08:47:18 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFlI011846 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFlH103839 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UFlHfX009169 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3UFlHI9009168 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:17 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030430154717.GF7878@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lR6P3/j+HGelbRkf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] Change in paper late policy Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --lR6P3/j+HGelbRkf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The paper late policy has been modified. Papers will be accepted until 7 May, although the penalties for late submission get rather steep. I encourage you not to turn in the paper late, but if it is unavoidable, you have as many as 5 more days to turn something in. Late penalties do not apply to medical emergencies, of course. --lR6P3/j+HGelbRkf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+r/AFaUz3f+Zf+XsRAmSlAKDQSxS+WXmKcZwFyHhNlohtC2r6hwCfV5s5 h4CxbIctVwgQUXQq/g0EMLA= =++Ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lR6P3/j+HGelbRkf-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 30 08:52:48 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFqm015275 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UFql109493 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UFqlfX009272 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3UFqlkY009271 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:52:47 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Subject: Re: [Csci555-chat] Change in paper late policy Message-ID: <20030430155247.GI7878@pun.isi.edu> References: <20030430154717.GF7878@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0u4QAjBqqw4+MLTw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030430154717.GF7878@pun.isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --0u4QAjBqqw4+MLTw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:47:17AM -0700, Ted Faber wrote: > The paper late policy has been modified. Papers will be accepted until > 7 May, although the penalties for late submission get rather steep. > > I encourage you not to turn in the paper late, but if it is unavoidable, > you have as many as 5 more days to turn something in. > > Late penalties do not apply to medical emergencies, of course. The policy is on the web page: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/cs555/ --0u4QAjBqqw4+MLTw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+r/FPaUz3f+Zf+XsRArg6AKC6LEdTH3K2t90bjWdHEwffVgrn5wCg++O3 ARshPAXuATUQfI4I4g2geiI= =TTdD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0u4QAjBqqw4+MLTw-- From faber@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 30 14:04:09 2003 Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UL49009930 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (pun.isi.edu [128.9.160.150]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3UL48123667 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pun.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UL48fX012168 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@pun.isi.edu) Received: (from faber@localhost) by pun.isi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3UL487n012167 for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:08 -0700 From: Ted Faber To: cs555 discussion list Message-ID: <20030430210408.GD11850@pun.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OROCMA9jn6tkzFBc" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Subject: [Csci555-chat] D'oh! Bad address on the web page - corrected Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: --OROCMA9jn6tkzFBc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For a while the web page stated that completed papers should be mailed to csci555-chat. This is completely incorrect. The proper address, which now appears in the web page, is csci555@usc.edu, the instructor and TA account, the same one to which homework is sent. Sorry for any confusion. --OROCMA9jn6tkzFBc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+sDpIaUz3f+Zf+XsRAm2HAKC1pe2A6TutVzCm7iHlVonQMO3z6gCgiMof 5W9K6mqNDqhGAnasqLU5ZiI= =x7GY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OROCMA9jn6tkzFBc-- From hochung@usc.edu Fri May 2 11:13:22 2003 Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h42IDM007158 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.usc.edu (nsmsg@postal.usc.edu [128.125.253.6]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h42IDMT17451 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usc.edu (localhost.usc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HE9004I4UM9Y8@postal.usc.edu> for csci555-chat@ISI.EDU; Fri, 02 May 2003 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.229.132.76] by postal.usc.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 02 May 2003 11:13:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:13:21 -0700 From: ho chung Subject: [Csci555-chat] TA Office Hour Cancelled Today (May 2) To: csci555-chat@ISI.EDU Message-id: <7d60457da293.7da2937d6045@usc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Sender: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu Errors-To: csci555-chat-admin@mailman.isi.edu X-BeenThere: csci555-chat@mailman.isi.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Archive: Hello class, I am cancelling my office hour today (FRI, May 2). (I must visit an hospital, and rescheduling my appointment was not possible.) If you need something from me urgently, please email me. I can be on campus this saturday (May 3). Sorry for the inconvenience. Ho (CS555 TA)